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She also said she had seen young children in the bathtub and in the jacuzzi with Jackson, but admitted she had never actually seen the star sexually molesting anyone. The woman, whose son tearfully told jurors in Santa Maria, California, that he was groped three times by Jackson between the ages of seven and 10, also said she once found the star and her son in a sleeping bag in a darkened room. The man also said he had never even told his wife of the alleged abuse, which he said had seriously traumatised him, and that she learned of it only when he testified on Monday. On one occasion she could see that the two were naked from the waist up, but could not tell whether they were wearing pyjama bottoms as they were partly under the sheets. If you snap at him about touching himself, for example, he might feel ashamed about his body and his desire to touch himself. Young children may be able to shower by themselves, but they can still easily slip and require help.